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of columbus' trip. so, it certainly discusses columbus and his role in the discovery of america. you can't discover place where perhaps as many as 100 million people already live. one story about columbus and geography if i can, though. one of the things i love to do is the research, to go into the library, to look for the books, because it's always the unexpected discovery, the eureka moment, that i love so much. i remember going into find a book about columbus, a biography, and three books down on the same shelf there was the log books of cliff columbus. my goodness. nobody told me in junior high school that christopher columbus kept a log book of his voyages and wrote letters about his voyages. so i pulled that out just an unexpected discovery, and started to read it. and i was enthralled. here was columbus describing his voyages, describing his discoveries in his own words, and of course they are his words, so we have to remember that people write about themselves with a certain degree of prejudice, but it was one thing more than anything else caught me in the log becomes -- log book
the first polls close tomorrow night. at this moment we're awaiting the president at a rally in columbus, ohio, with the boss performing right now. not to be outdone, mitt romney has an event in columbus himself just a few hours from now featuring the marshall tucker band. tough choice there for columbus voters. and if the polls are any indication, america is split down the middle in our new poll. the president just edges romney 48% to 47% among likely voters. well within the margin of error. another look at polls confirms this race is pretty tight. with that in mind, the final day of campaigning is a whirlwind tour. mitt romney is at his second event in virginia today. and he said real change will begin with his victory tomorrow. >> the question of this election comes down to this. do you want four more years of the last four years? or do you want real change? >> virginia of course a state that mitt romney desperately wanted to have locked up months ago. the old dominion very tight. but it is far from the only tossup state and it was at a massive 18,000 strong rally at madison, wisconsi
for the key state of ohio is mightily close. the numbers, columbus dispatch, final polls, the president leads governor romney 50-48. statistically that's a sky. nbc news and wall street journal poll shows the president leading by 6 points. that's just inside the margin of error. of course, no republican has won the presidency without winning ohio's electoral votes and the columbus dispatch, this marks an 83rd time that the presidential candidates visited ohio this year. and steve brown is live in columbus. the president is a proponent of early voting. >> as of friday 1.6 million oh ohioans one in five registered voters in the buckeye state. early voting continued throughout weekend and that number is this going to grow and in franklin county which includes the city of columbus, folks trying to early vote today were in for a pretty long wait. >> i wanted to try to beat the lines, but we couldn't, but we're in another line here. >> you didn't expect this. no, i didn't. pretty crazy. >> i've been waiting for probably about 45 minutes so not too long. >> reporter: and paper absentee ballots are
, the news continues with don lemon in columbus, ohio, battleground stat state. >>> thank you very much, fredricka, i'm don lemon. good evening, everyone, from the beautiful boat house restaurant in downtown columbus, ohio, we're coming to you tonight from a critical swing state, a state, quite frankly, with the luxury to call itself the swing state. a state in our minds and hearts that can only call itself devastated, places like jersey and new york. for almost a week now, we have been watching people literally fight for their lives. >> we are going to die. you don't understand, you got to get your trucks here on this corner. >> nearly 3 million people, still without power in 15 states. 106 people are dead now, and leaders say they could find more bodies underneath the rubble or washing to shore. now, that is a background, but with no gas and water in some places and with food and shelter in short supply in many places, where would politics? specifically voting, be on your list of priorities? it is not very high, even for the governor of new jersey. >> i have the job here in new jersey
. >> are you ready to go? >> thank you so very much. [ music playing ] >> hello columbus! >> hello ohio! >> what a welcome. thank you. thank you so much. what a great virginia welcome. >> hello iowa! >> anybody wants to know where the energy is, if anyone that is following politics wants to know where the energy is, come right here in this room. >> the first election results are in tonight and it is a tie. president obama and mitt romney each received 5 votes a piece in new hampshire. the small town's polls opened after midnight every election year, a tradition since 1968. the tie was a historical first. officials in new york and in new jersey are taking steps to try to make sure residents impacted by superstorm sandy get a chance to vote tomorrow. you are looking at after math of the storm. in one county ballots were delivered to shelters today. the governor allowed people to vote tomorrow at any polling place in the state. election officials in contra costa county are already hard at work with the thousands of mail in ballots. kron 4's justine waldman has more. >> reporter: the votes
expect in columbus, ohio, last night. even though he had bruce springsteen and jay-z warming up the crowd. the nationwide arena looks half empty from the pictures. sandra smith is tracking swing states in the united states. that would include ohio. sandra, which is the key county, killer county in ohio? >> i have circled them. hamilton is the in the southwest corner this is the county which since gnaty is us whoed. important to know why we're watching that. hamilton where columbus lies. specifically watching cincinnati the poverty rate is very high. among the highest in the state. and by the way, this was a key win for president obama in the last election. a democrat won, president obama, for the first time in the last election dating back to 1964. so that will be key to watch tonight. then there's columbus. this of course houses ohio state university, about 60,000 students live in the columbus area. that too is going to be key to watch tonight. as the younger crowd is obviously going to be a big focus there. stuart, as we continue to watch results come in, 7:30 closing as well at that ti
he could to get as many people out to the polls as possible. as he said in columbus he said not only was he going to do that work but he implored his supporters to do it as well. >> tomorrow we begin a new tomorrow. perhaps some of your friends and family have not made up their minds who they are going to vote for. when you talk to hem ask to go beyond the speeches and the ads and the attacks and look at the record. talk is cheap but a record is real and it's earned. bill: as promised, this what is we were waiting for ... martha: who are those two people? i don't recognize them from the back. bill: this is governor romney and his wife ann cast their ballot for ... you can take one guess what's happening there. this is in their hometown of massachusetts. it's a hotbed of democratic votes. i have to cut into those votes to have a chance in ohio. later he goes to pittsburgh. if you look at the mate was all red. a sea of red with one exception, that was allegheny county where president obama won there. governor romney will be there pat 3:00. martha: a lot of questions about pennsylvania.
of the badgering done in person or over the air waves impacted early voting. here in columbus, the line stretched out of the door and in the parking lot and people waited in line for two hours to cast a ballot. some of the churches loaded up people on buss and drove them to early voting location. and spokesman said this is resulting in a big surge for president obama. and that is why they fought so hard to keep early voting open in the final weekend leading up to the election here in ohio. associated press reported republicans and democrats, democrats lead by six percent. we can show you video of the absentee ballots and republican response to that. spokesman said they anticipated all along that democrats would lead with early voting, however, the lead is not significant as it was in the last election. they say viewer democrats showed up for early vote more republicans showed up. both sides are predicting a narrow margin of victory and lawyered up have observers here in the polling locations. and every vote counts and every vote will be scrutinized. >> steve: thank you for the live report. everyb
edition of "your money." i'm coming you to live from columb columbus, ohio. in three days, this is the state that will likely decide the presidential election. governor romney knows that only too well that no republican has won the white house without winning ohio and the race right now in ohio is close to a dead heat. let's look at the two latest polls. first, our own cnn/orc poll of likely voters shows president obama with a three point lead. now that is inside the statistical margin of error. so that's about as close as it can get. and nbc "wall street journal" poll gives the president a six point lead in ohio. a little better for obama. still very close. now obama may be the top prize for the candidates right now l are other important battleground states. we'll take through over the course of the next hour in a way that only cnn can. john avalon and i traveled more than 1800 miles on cnn's battleground bus tour as the race for the white house reaches its conclusion. no mat wrer i ter where i go, t economy is the most important issue in this election. i've been travelin
rally of the day. tomorrow back on the campaign trail. he will go to lynchburg, va., columbus ohio and conclude the day in new hampshire. president obama also on the trail tomorrow in the madison, wisconsin and columbus ohio. then he will be in des moines, iowa. look for coverage here at c- back to the live shot of mourners still, pennsylvania. part of the election weekend coverage here on c-span. we will continue to watch the governor as he shakes hands and makes his way through the crowd. richard, democratic calller in new york. caller: good evening. thank you for taking my call, and thank you for c-span. mr. romney does not have a clue. he should have lost in 2012 to rick santorum. however, he is flip-floping every issue from the primaries. american people have some of the brightest minds. why don't they see he is a fraud? america is not for sale. >> i take your voting for president obama. host: republican calller. william, north carolina. caller: i was going to vote for obama, but i am real religious, and i do not agree with the same-sex marriage. the unemployment has
's bring in kelly o'donnell. she is standing by this columbus, ohio, this morning. kelly, ohio was the state everyone was looking at. it was the one that everybody said all eyes there and we'll know who will be the next president. how did it play out last night? >> it certainly got tense at sometimes, willie. certainly voters throughout the day when we were polling places, you could really tell they had a sense that they had a big role to play. as the evening went, there was almost a bit of surprise at how early it was called. the officials here at the state house had been telling us be prepared for a late night. it could even go into the late counting of provisional ballots that would happen later this month. but that was not to be. the models that everyone was using to forecast this put ohio in the president's column and then there was a wait a minute moment where the romney campaign was not satisfied that enough votes had been counted yet. they felt there was potential to close the gap and overtake the president in some precincts they thought were going to go their way. ther
it will not be close. michael baron's build prediction of a land slide on election day. live from columbus, mike huckabee. >> welcome to huckabee. we'll come to you from columbus, thitate with a big role in the presidential election. both candidates fighting for every last vote that would give them 18 electorial votes to put them past 270. and we'll talk about that in a few machines. meanwhile in the home base in new york city and all over the northeast coast, there is pure devastation in the after math of hurricane sandy. ♪ they are talk being surges we have not seen before. >> with each hour the full scope of sandy's detruction is becoming clearer. >> the level of destruction on the jersey shore is unthinkable. >> nothing. i done have anything or anywhere to go. i don't have clothes. >> we have water or electricity all of the food was thrown out. >> i didn't expect it to be that bad and not to see homes off of thation. >> witnesses said the clouds gloge red can as the fire tore through the hope necessary breezy point. >> my parents lived here 40 years and it is unbelievable. sorry. >> look a
of a land slide on election day. live from columbus, mike huckabee. >> welcome to huckabee. we'll come to you from columbus, thitate with a big role in the presidential election. both candidates fighting for every last vote that would give them 18 electorial votes to put them past 270. and we'll talk about that in a few machines. meanwhile in the home base in new york city and all over the northeast coast, there is pure devastation in the after math of hurricane sandy. ♪ they are talk being surges we have not seen before. >> with each hour the full scope of sandy's detruction is becoming clearer. >> the level of destruction on the jersey shore is unthinkable. >> nothing. i done have anything or anywhere to go. i don't have clothes. >> we have water or electricity all of the food didn't expect it to be that bad and not to see homes off of thation. >> witnesses said the clouds gloge red can as the fire tore through the hope necessary breezy point. >> my parents lived here 40 years and it is unbelievable. sorry. >> look at >> i meany so many sights are plind bogling. >> folks had to wai
. >>> president obama getting ready to speak at a rally in columbus, ohio. we'll go there when we see him. meanwhile, we're going to quickly which can in on three of the battleground states that we expect potentially decide this presidential election. let's start with ohio. its 18 electoral votes are crucial. you've heard it a million times by now. but history show that is republicans don't win the white house if they don't carry ohio. president obama won ohio back in 2008. george bush barely carried ohio in 2004. cnn's martin savidge joins us from cleveland. early voting, martin, very important for the president. how's it looking where you are in cleveland right now? >> reporter: well, at least the cnn poll of the early voters seem to be going very much in president obama's favor. let me point out something here. the early voting has finally come to an end in the state of ohio. the reason i say finally is it began october 2nd. it ended at 2:00 this afternoon. the complete tallies for the state are not up. but up until friday, 1.6 million early votes were cast. of that, 1.1 million were a
in the same city, columbus, ohio. no accident there. kelly o'donnell is in cleavelan. all about ohio, and you can see what's happening on on the ground there, kelly. it's pretty remarkable. >> reporter: well, they're already voting, of course. there were limited hours for early votes in the day until tomorrow's big show. what we've seen are very long lines. we've been told as many as 2500 people were waiting outside before the doors opened. in cleveland about 3700 and in franklin county, which is columbus. there's high energy and interest, and certainly after so many months of being bombarded by tv ads in the various markets in ohio and the phone calls, i was with my mom. i'm from cleveland. the phone was ringing off the hook asking if she had voted yet. people are ready to participate. both campaigns think they have a strong ground game. the obama team touts it has many more offices here and in the early votes more democrats have turned out. republicans believe that they have a real shot at it here because they believe the president's margins as it looks today aren't as great as four years a
out. in his last campaign event, the rally in ohio yesterday in columbus he appealed to people to get out to the polls themselves and find five other people to get out to the polls. he drew sharp contrast between his vision of america's future and the president's. >> he says it has to be this way. i say it can't stay this way. he's covering excuses. i'm offering a plan. [cheers and applause] >> i can't wait to get started. he's hoping we'll settle. but americans don't settle. we build, we aspire, we grow, we can do better, a better job, a better life for our kids, a bigger, better country. [cheers and applause] >> one group to pay attention to in ohio evangelical voters. 375,000 of them stayed home. there has been a massive operation to get gels ou evangelicals out to the polls. what everything-heard the enthusiasm among that group is up. compare 2012 to 2006 a romney adviser told me in 2006 in the off year elections in the congressional elections that they were out looking for voters and they said, yeah we're find -lg them, there just aren't that many of them. contrast that with this
in ohio. i want to show you three parts in particular, suburbs of cleveland, columbus and cincinnati. a lot of attention on these spots. let's go in here to lake county. lake county. 2% of the population, the president personally spending time here. why? in 2004, this went to bush. this is territory the president got and he's trying to hold on to. 2008, the president had a slim margin here in lake county. he's definitely trying to hold on to that. columbus, both candidates interested in keeping ahold of this territory. it's 9% of the population. and you come down here to hamilton county, 7%, both candidates spending a lot of time around cincinnati. again, back in 2004, this was bush territory. the president taking that last time around, trying to defend this territory. that's why spare spending so much time personally in ohio. >> hopefully for them the math works. if you camp out you can keep those votes you had last time around. >> that's right. >>> other stories making news, zoraida has those stories. >>> coastal communities are sitting in the path of nor'easter. 1.2 million people
electoral votes, one of the tantalizing prices. jeff flock in columbus ohio. eighteen votes, lawsuits, lawyers. man-to-man, it will be dramatic. rich edson at obama headquarters if you were to say that nevada, six electoral votes could be a deal changer, a little more than a few weeks ago there would have thought you crazy. that was then, this is now. the battle for every single electoral vote, where you need to run in 72 when an addict and it seems to have a going in, you get an idea that every state counts, every little town -- county and town councils, and that is why these guys are fighting in l.a. the night to see if it goes their way. first step rich edson. >> reporter: well, they are expecting says that. they say, as they have expected for some time, it is going to be a very close race, but one they predict it will carry in the end. that is the feeling around the obama camp. they say that if you look at the swing states, the particular selling states out there, they are in play and have a modest lead, but a consistent lead. the majority of them, and enough to put their candid o
pittsburgh. 30 in columbus. 38 this morning in new york city. still have this cold chunk of air and area of high pressure to our north. that will be a good thing, because it will give us clearing skies shortly. few light showers south and east of the city. southern maryland, st. mary's city, might encounter a light shower or across the bay into st. michaels. few light sprinkles early. upper level disturbance moving through quickly. should move north and east, and you can see into the west now where we're getting clearing skies and that means lots of sunshine shortly. i think by 9:00, 10:00 this morning, should be mostly sunny and bright and beautiful afternoon. 54 today. weekend forecast generally looking good. 54 tomorrow. sunday, partly sunny. redskins and d.c. united. will not be raining, but clouds sunday afternoon. monday cloudy. most of next week looks quiet. traveling tuesday and wednesday, thursday looks good, too, for thanksgiving. >> thanks, tuck. >> let's go to julie wright now. >> good morning, tony, allison, tucker. you'll find traffi
with the latest out this morning in columbus, dispatch. what is clear, we have a very, very large lead among voter whose have voted early and we will go in election day with a significant lead. they can spin it out they want. i am looking at hold card data, who is casting ballots in states like ohio, iowa, nevada, florida. we are doing very well. they are comparing this to 2008 and we have had this discussion. i'm not suggest we will win by the same margin of 2008 and they compare themselves to john mc cain would had no ground operation in these states. they will do better than john mccain. we may not do as well as we did in 2008 but we doing plenty well and well enough to win the race. >>chris: on florida, president obama is down by more than a point in the polls but you make the final advertising by the campaign there in florida, why not in the state you must win? >> we feel very competitive in the state of florida. there have been many polls and in all of the polls, the battleground state polls in the last 48 hours we are ahead in 90 percent including florida. there are a couple of mixed polls
right now. governor romney really has to rack up the count on his side of things. yesterday in columbus urging his supporters at a rally to get out there and get everyone they can get to the polls. here he is. >> some of you have been successful in convincing your neighbors to vote for paul ryan and me and i thank you for that. now let's make sure that everyone we know gets out to vote on times you're here because you care about america. this campaign is about america and about the future that we're going to leave to our children. we thank you and we ask to you stay at it all the way until victory on tuesday night is clear. >> for governor romney today will be all about two things. how the independents break and what kind enthusiasm there is out there for conservatives to get to the polls. i thought mike huckabee said something interesting this weekend when he said in terms of conservative enthusiasm in this country look back on the chick-fil-a controversy, who thought that so many people would line up around the block for a chicken sandwich? imagine what they'll do when it comes to vot
hopefully tonight. ohio, there was a "columbus dispatch" poll that democrats like to cite which shows that romney overperforming mccain by 22 points. to mccain's 11 points. the county to watch there is hamilton county. the very populated, swing county. this is very tight. early voting showed obama rehead. the democratic advantage is up. that and a absentee ballot wiped it out. >> dana: romney internal showed them up plus two in ohio. michael leavitt, health and human services secretary for bush, he started on the reagan campaign and he was so excite excited. he said you would go to ohio. he said i don't want to go to ohio. nothing happens there. he said you can't win as republican if you don't win ohio. i'm sure he is reminding them of that every day. >> eric: any surprise if romney wins ohio today? and president obama chose not to -- >> dana: biden went last minute today. >> bob: i don't know why he chose cuyahoga county. i think what they're probably trying to do is minimize votes in cuyahoga county. as andrea pointed out to me, suburban counties around it, have been republican, and
means the results are in from those individual counties. columbus with ohio state, obama has taken that county, and then there was also hamilton county pommel which is the cincinnati area. very high poverty rates. they were hoping that mitt romney would pull that off, the president obama has taken hamilton county. he won that last year. giving him a huge boost in the election for the first time that a democrat had taken that county. neil: are you saying that he one hamilton county tonight? neil: that could get him ohio. sanda: is a big sign. those two counties could get him ohio. half the reason romney was there tonight -- that pay off? effects not exactly sure what is happening with our map right now. as we look at the surrounding counties, it is blue, indeed. president obama has taken some key areas. we are looking at the new gz area there. we are seeing some of those crucial counties won by president obama. imagine that the philadelphia area, the suburbs surrounding the philadelphia area were key. we have seen president obama pull that off. but the state has not yet gone back to
, the columbus dispatch which is a very conservative-leaning newspaper, has been in the past, had this deadline, quote, auto bailout could be the clincher. and they go on to say in this article if president obama wins ohio, it will be because of the bailout of gm and chrysler. if romney wins and i quote it will be because of the final days of the campaign he stopped fumbling his explanation on what he would have done with the two auto giants. do you believe that it was the bailout of the auto industry that won ohio for the president, mike? >> well, i think it was factor for both the president and i think it hurt the governor. for several years in the whole campaign, his position was at times confusing and incoherent. now, here's what i think the governor should have said right from the beginning. he should have said something along the lines of i support the fact that president bush allocated tarp funds to prevent an industrial armageddon on top of financial armageddon. and i applaud then president obama for using bankruptcy as i recommended to straighten out some of the long-time ills of the i
in columbus, ohio. shannon bream at the republican watch party if des moines, iowa. good evening, shannon. >> reporter: hello, bret. well, republicans here in iowa are hoping that romney will pull off a somewhat unexpected win. there is something down ticket that could help him. in 2009, the state supreme court here legalized same-sex marriage. that motivated and mobilized conservatives and evangelical christians. they had three of the justices that signed on to the opinion removed. a fourth justice on the ballot. that is not all. control of the state senate is control by democrats. conservatives hope to win it back to give them control of the both state houses and enabling them to pass legislation to been a the same-sex marriage. if the evident to get out the vote on the same-sex marriage issue is successful, it could help romney. secretary of state here says there have been very few complaints about the voting irregularities. the biggest complaint is vote whose didn't get the "i voted" sticker. take it now to steve brown in ohio. >> reporter: hey, shannon. yes, in ohio, the polls close
. the cliche about ohio is there are fiveeparatehio there's columbus, more catholics up in the north. but it stretches south. >> woodruff: do you see anything else in those numbers? are are we about to make another call? wyoming, okay. we're calling wyoming for mitt romney. the home of dick cheney. i think this is the state that president obama had the worst showing in, in 2008 if i'm not mistaken. so this is not also not a surprise. >> ifill: also dick cheney's state. >> woodruff: we're going to look it up right now. any of those results say anything? >> population density does matter. you go to a dense area you're probably in a democratic area. you go to a sparse area -- and wyoming certainly qualifies -- you're probably in a republican area. >> woodruff: it's beautiful out there. >> it certainly is. their electoral vote should count for more. >> ifill: so is new york. we were talking earlier and we were talking to margaret about exactly why mitt romney would spend his day today in a dense area. i saw he gave an interview to a radio station where he sicay said i don't want to sit a
north beach branch library. city officials will be on hand for the 11:00 ceremony at columbus and lombard. entertainment will be provided by beach blanket babylon. it's funded by $106 million voter aproved bond measure. >> new, the council will consider three on options. it ranges from a ban on blowers to ban on those loud blowers but to heighten. leach blowers are banned and must be on low speed the rest of the time. >> lisa: starting out nice and mellow. vollmer peak. we are looking at higher clouds making for a beautiful sunrise. sun came up and don't forget to set your clock back. plenty of 50s out there. we are warmer than we were yesterday in most areas. 54 in oakland. 54 in san francisco and narrow range of highs today, but we're all going to warm up a little bit to above average readings. big ridge of high pressure that builds throughout the day today to bring warmer conditions today. more 70s and 60s, records are likely monday and tuesday. 68 downtown, 72 in oakland today. >> terry: in the news this saturday morning, menlo park police investigate a drive-by shooting.
are ours, which showed that barack obama up by six points. new "columbus dispatch" poll out says two. it's still a close race, but looking at the polls, it would still favor barack obama. >> chris jansing, thanks so much for the latest from ohio. up next, the other races that will keep us up late on election night. this is andrea mitchell reports live from democracy plaza on msnbc. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. were you profitable last month?hat looks great. how much money is in your checking account? have the browns paid you for their addition yet? your finances are scattered all over the place. mm-hmm. what are your monthly expenses? you keep your receipts in plastic baggies? seriously? [ announcer ] get it done and get it off your mind... with quickbooks. organize your small busine
good about the state, i do. >> live pictures of governor rom at an airport campaign event in columbus, ohio. let's go back to senator rubio. senator, florida's in lousy economic shape, really hasn't had a lot of recovery, a lot of foreclosures, housing problems. is this the basis of the discontent against obama? >> well, it's certainly the foundation of it. one of the things that's helped in florida is we have a republican conservative leadership in the governor's mansion and the legislature that balances the budget every year, doesn't increase taxes, and that's created stable economic platform at the state level. they need a partner at the federal level, in the white house, and people know that. i think obama care in particular has been devastating and is going to be devastating in florida. small businesses that are cutting back people from full-time to part-time to avoid some of the most onerous provisionth in the law. seniors that understand that the law takes money out of medicare. the seniors that are worried about the future of medicare and the fact that barack obama doesn't hav
'm going to be watching most is the area around columbus, franklin county. and it's not just for a selfish purpose. i really think that is going to be a county that could swing either way. we've seen that in congressional races and we've seen that in presidential races in the past. a lot of folks have looked at southwest ohio where cincinnati is. it's expected president obama will take cincinnati. i think franklin county could be where a lot of action is tonight. i can oaga county, where cleveland is, that's going to be heavily democratic. in fact, all of northern ohio is going to be heavily democratic. western ohio, alongside i-75, which leads up to michigan, that's going to be strong republican turnout. and of course we have the rural areas. those are going to be interesting to watch as well. >> one of the things we heard so much in the campaigns is it's a story about unemployment, and especially in ohio. i've pulled up the unemployment numbers, according to the bureau of labor statistics as of september 2012, and on the lower half of the state you see pretty bad unemployment, 9.4% in mo
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